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One of the most thorough and compelling reads regarding the source of COVID-19 and whether it escaped from a laboratory or is a natural disaster. It's a bit technical in places but overall easy to follow. It lays out the evidence extremely well and discusses alternate possibilities; though admittedly it feels the author has an opinion themselves which introduces some bias. It discusses the current structure of research funding/career paths and how that might result in the global scientific community fearing any deviation from a script. The discussion on how labs were handling this virus and how this needs to change I think most will agree on. It also raised the question of is there any benefit of these types of research versus the extreme risks they pose to the world.
One of the most thorough and compelling reads regarding the source of COVID-19 and whether it escaped from a laboratory or is a natural disaster. It's a bit technical in places but overall easy to follow. It lays out the evidence extremely well and discusses alternate possibilities; though admittedly it feels the author has an opinion themselves which introduces some bias. It discusses the current structure of research funding/career paths and how that might result in the global scientific community fearing any deviation from a script. The discussion on how labs were handling this virus and how this needs to change I think most will agree on. It also raised the question of is there any benefit of these types of research versus the extreme risks they pose to the world.
Your framing of this as purely political elides the opinion of the large majority of virologists, unless you’re just reducing this to pure politics and believe scientists are systematic liars (in which case why would you take a vaccine they developed? I would guess he believes that conflicts-of-interest are a real thing and that journalists should stop taking taking `the large majority of virologists' on their word on this particular issue and have an an independent investigation by scientists with fewer conficts.
Your framing of this as purely political elides the opinion of the large majority of virologists, unless you’re just reducing this to pure politics and believe scientists are systematic liars (in which case why would you take a vaccine they developed? I would guess he believes that conflicts-of-interest are a real thing and that journalists should stop taking taking `the large majority of virologists' on their word on this particular issue and have an an independent investigation by scientists with fewer conficts.
I haven't framed this in any way
I haven't framed this in any way
Buried in the comments are a dozen by Andrew Sundstrom. They are worth reading. Several are of the “Needs Citation” variety and others are more intimately related to GoF etc. He is a domain expert. [https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=w7zKpOsAAAAJ&hl=en](https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=w7zKpOsAAAAJ&hl=en) I regret that I only have but 1 Down Vote to give.
Buried in the comments are a dozen by Andrew Sundstrom. They are worth reading. Several are of the “Needs Citation” variety and others are more intimately related to GoF etc. He is a domain expert. [https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=w7zKpOsAAAAJ&hl=en](https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=w7zKpOsAAAAJ&hl=en) I regret that I only have but 1 Down Vote to give.
I agree he's right to point out the needs for citations on the many things he has highlighted. I'm not sure he quite meets the criteria for a domain expert for this. His publications don't seem to be about virology or really any significant RNA/DNA fields. Have I missed these? His background in molecular biology obviously gives him a good grounding though. I'm not saying I agree with this article btw, but the references that have been provided do highlight that this type of research was ongoing in Wuhan. As the saying goes "correlation doesn't equal causation" but this does feel a bit swept under the carpet by the media. The article does highlight how we all rely on these figures of scientific authority, but given the small number of them and the niche work they do you could understand why some would be reluctant to come forward against the party line. We see this in my profession when it comes to whistle blowing and the severe action that has been taken against them in the past. Tbh, I regretted posting it soon after I did as I'm not sure Relevant is really a suitable place to try and peg out what is medically correct. The information is far too granular, known to only a select few and being medical related there is never a right answer. If we do successfully democratise access to education in the future this might change. Otherwise it tends to come down to who tenures where and how many PhD etc. someone has. Happily upvoted your comment though as that was a really good spot. 🙏
I agree he's right to point out the needs for citations on the many things he has highlighted. I'm not sure he quite meets the criteria for a domain expert for this. His publications don't seem to be about virology or really any significant RNA/DNA fields. Have I missed these? His background in molecular biology obviously gives him a good grounding though. I'm not saying I agree with this article btw, but the references that have been provided do highlight that this type of research was ongoing in Wuhan. As the saying goes "correlation doesn't equal causation" but this does feel a bit swept under the carpet by the media. The article does highlight how we all rely on these figures of scientific authority, but given the small number of them and the niche work they do you could understand why some would be reluctant to come forward against the party line. We see this in my profession when it comes to whistle blowing and the severe action that has been taken against them in the past. Tbh, I regretted posting it soon after I did as I'm not sure Relevant is really a suitable place to try and peg out what is medically correct. The information is far too granular, known to only a select few and being medical related there is never a right answer. If we do successfully democratise access to education in the future this might change. Otherwise it tends to come down to who tenures where and how many PhD etc. someone has. Happily upvoted your comment though as that was a really good spot. 🙏
The Lancet letter doesn't make sense however. It seems to pay more premium to reputation than lives. Who says the 'unnaturalness' of Covid 19 is a conspiracy? Couldn't it be an accident if it escaped from the lab? Is isn't that possible since Wuhan Institute of Virology, a leading world center for research on coronaviruses sits in the centre of Wuhan? So the possibility that the SARS2 virus had escaped from the lab could not be ruled out. Well, it could also naturally jump from wildlife to humans. What is the point here? I believe when the origin of a problem is known, it makes it easier to solve. Our researchers have more works to do and all hands must be on deck.
The Lancet letter doesn't make sense however. It seems to pay more premium to reputation than lives. Who says the 'unnaturalness' of Covid 19 is a conspiracy? Couldn't it be an accident if it escaped from the lab? Is isn't that possible since Wuhan Institute of Virology, a leading world center for research on coronaviruses sits in the centre of Wuhan? So the possibility that the SARS2 virus had escaped from the lab could not be ruled out. Well, it could also naturally jump from wildlife to humans. What is the point here? I believe when the origin of a problem is known, it makes it easier to solve. Our researchers have more works to do and all hands must be on deck.
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