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"This is the real tragedy and menace of the public and private collaboration of WikiLeaks with Trump. An organization with a sterling reputation for providing the public with accurate information about secret government and corporate activities was used to launder conspiracy theories that helped elect a racist, sexual predator president of the United States. That might be a terrific result for people like Julian Assange, who see a dysfunctional, discredited White House as a way to undermine what they see as the real evil empire. For Americans condemned to live under Trump, particularly the most marginalized who, as Noam Chomsky has observed, will suffer the most from his cruelty, it is a far more troubling outcome."

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@johnnysagan • 6 Years Ago

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"This is the real tragedy and menace of the public and private collaboration of WikiLeaks with Trump. An organization with a sterling reputation for providing the public with accurate information about secret government and corporate activities was used to launder conspiracy theories that helped elect a racist, sexual predator president of the United States. That might be a terrific result for people like Julian Assange, who see a dysfunctional, discredited White House as a way to undermine what they see as the real evil empire. For Americans condemned to live under Trump, particularly the most marginalized who, as Noam Chomsky has observed, will suffer the most from his cruelty, it is a far more troubling outcome."

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This morning someone in my feed posted this article from Sean Wilentz of the New Republic circa 2014 that reminded me again that Snowden, Greenwald AND of course Assange have this huge strain of movement libertarianism in their intellectual or ideological makeup: [https://newrepublic.com/article/116253/edward-snowden-glenn-greenwald-julian-assange-what-they-believe](https://newrepublic.com/article/116253/edward-snowden-glenn-greenwald-julian-assange-what-they-believe) . I had to be reminded of this because it always catches me off-guard since I am on the far left side of the spectrum of people who saw something commendable in their project of trying to expose the truth about how the apparatus of state power works, not because I want to try to somehow abolish the state — because I don’t think that’s possible nor advisable given that we are social animals inevitably highly dependent on each other, robots or no robots (and let’s talk about the terribly telling etymology of the word robot) — but because I want us to somehow commit to running the state or states that we live in on the one planet we have in as hi-tech environmentalist-utopian capitalist-cum-socialist and all-inclusive, all-nurturing of a manner as possible, including full truth and reconciliation about the ongoing crimes and abuses of the presently ruling regimes and their regimen of rule...so anyway, I’m always forgetting that their motivations are not exactly my motivations, Greenwald, Assange, and Snowden, smash-the-staters like the Paul family and Steve Bannon in their way: ‘By this point, Greenwald had come to reside in a peculiar corner of the political forest, where the far left meets the far right, often but not always under the rubric of libertarianism. He held positions that appealed to either end of the political spectrum, attacking, for example, U.S. foreign policy as a bipartisan projection of empire. Like most of his writings, his critique of America abroad was congenial both to the isolationist paleo-Right and to post–New Left anti-imperialists. His social liberalism struck an individualist chord pleasing to right-wing libertarians as well as left-wing activists. Greenwald began to envisage bringing these groups together—to dissolve the usual lines of political loyalty and unite the anti-imperialists and civil-liberties activists on the left with the paleoconservatives and free-market libertarians on the right—in a popular front against the establishment alliance of mainstream center-left liberals and neoconservatives.’ [https://newrepublic.com/article/116253/edward-snowden-glenn-greenwald-julian-assange-what-they-believe](https://newrepublic.com/article/116253/edward-snowden-glenn-greenwald-julian-assange-what-they-believe)

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@johnnysagan • 6 Years Ago

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This morning someone in my feed posted this article from Sean Wilentz of the New Republic circa 2014 that reminded me again that Snowden, Greenwald AND of course Assange have this huge strain of movement libertarianism in their intellectual or ideological makeup: [https://newrepublic.com/article/116253/edward-snowden-glenn-greenwald-julian-assange-what-they-believe](https://newrepublic.com/article/116253/edward-snowden-glenn-greenwald-julian-assange-what-they-believe) . I had to be reminded of this because it always catches me off-guard since I am on the far left side of the spectrum of people who saw something commendable in their project of trying to expose the truth about how the apparatus of state power works, not because I want to try to somehow abolish the state — because I don’t think that’s possible nor advisable given that we are social animals inevitably highly dependent on each other, robots or no robots (and let’s talk about the terribly telling etymology of the word robot) — but because I want us to somehow commit to running the state or states that we live in on the one planet we have in as hi-tech environmentalist-utopian capitalist-cum-socialist and all-inclusive, all-nurturing of a manner as possible, including full truth and reconciliation about the ongoing crimes and abuses of the presently ruling regimes and their regimen of rule...so anyway, I’m always forgetting that their motivations are not exactly my motivations, Greenwald, Assange, and Snowden, smash-the-staters like the Paul family and Steve Bannon in their way: ‘By this point, Greenwald had come to reside in a peculiar corner of the political forest, where the far left meets the far right, often but not always under the rubric of libertarianism. He held positions that appealed to either end of the political spectrum, attacking, for example, U.S. foreign policy as a bipartisan projection of empire. Like most of his writings, his critique of America abroad was congenial both to the isolationist paleo-Right and to post–New Left anti-imperialists. His social liberalism struck an individualist chord pleasing to right-wing libertarians as well as left-wing activists. Greenwald began to envisage bringing these groups together—to dissolve the usual lines of political loyalty and unite the anti-imperialists and civil-liberties activists on the left with the paleoconservatives and free-market libertarians on the right—in a popular front against the establishment alliance of mainstream center-left liberals and neoconservatives.’ [https://newrepublic.com/article/116253/edward-snowden-glenn-greenwald-julian-assange-what-they-believe](https://newrepublic.com/article/116253/edward-snowden-glenn-greenwald-julian-assange-what-they-believe)

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Good connect! Greenwald has Been distancing himself from Assange for a while, at least since a year ago a - there is a good podcast with him where he basically admits that Assange was irresponsible w Hilary leaks and was basically motivated by personal vendettas more so than transparency ideology.

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Good connect! Greenwald has Been distancing himself from Assange for a while, at least since a year ago a - there is a good podcast with him where he basically admits that Assange was irresponsible w Hilary leaks and was basically motivated by personal vendettas more so than transparency ideology.