I believe this is the second interview between Jason and Douglas on Zero Books. Give it 15 minutes, you can even play it in the background. philosophy towards the end: "let's just keep going down that route of normal everydayness and see what the next plague is that emerges" ... "people have intense resentment for mystics or avant garde figures. they usually don't bring about the killing fields, it's the normal ones who are responsible for the genocides. the absolute psychotically sane ones. we can take our shots at the nietszches of the world, but the last time I checked nietzsche never pulled a knife on nobody" [https://youtu.be/9rjtqjhfPlI](https://youtu.be/9rjtqjhfPlI)