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"I hate porn". To begin with: there are different types of porn. There are types of porn that piss me off - the same type Emma Lindsay is talking about on the article, and some others - but there's also a whole world of interesting porn out there. We sure need to talk about ethics of the porn we're consuming, but that's different from stating that "porn culture" is making people bad at bed. To make it short, let's mention porn that consists on women having orgasms. There's a video called "how to eat pussy like a champ", please search for it, it's on Pornhub, and tell me that it's not doing a service for women. And it's very porn-y, it's not even close to Erika Lust. "Women are quiet when receiving pleasure" - oh, I'm not sure of that, honey. (Western) tantra therapists encourage women who have orgasm blocks to use voice when they are reaching it, and it works, and I'm talking from my own experience. You bring your whole body to it, you let it go. And also the practical side: you have to communicate during sex, because your partner is not getting better by guessing. Actually the need for communication is true for both sides, so instead of creating a weird assumption that what is "normal" for women is to be quiet while receiving pleasure, what about telling men they are allowed to moan, that moaning men are sexy too? "This is why I’ve grown weary of sex-positive feminism. Sex may be fun, and pleasure may be good for you, but in my experience, very few women are actually adventurous enough to go out in selfish pursuit of their own pleasure. Many women like to appear sexually forward because this is a way to attract men, but the best strategy for attracting men is to pretend everything that turns them on also turns you on. Sex positive feminism, while good in theory, often becomes another way to justify catering to male pleasure." - Oh no no no, this woman is so wrong. Sex-positive feminism gave me my first orgasm, and it does so for a lot of women. If someone doesn't know how to use a wonderful tool, it doesn't mean it becomes less wonderful, especially for those who need it. It's just misuse. Just like when people use feminist jargon to say bullshit. Sex-positive feminism is all about women seeking education for themselves. It's for lesbians too, you know. If we don't know how to make ourselves have orgasms, if we don't get in touch with our fantasies, we don't know how to give our partners the minimal orientation. We're just putting everything in men's hands once again. Because that's patriarchy: women repress everything and keep quiet and still with our delicate sexual desires. We keep expecting everything to come from men. Men are educated to suck at sex. Nothing is ever going to change. Men AND WOMEN need to look actively for sexual education, it's a lot of technique for both sides. And of course it doesn't mean only watching sex videos on the internet, but before writing an article like that we need to make extremely clear what we understand by "porn". Otherwise we're just avoiding difficult (and more urgent) discussions about how to protect these girls, how to make nice and sexy videos so people can turn themselves on and educate themselves without hurting anybody, and how to separate sex from sexism without making it all a moralistic mess. This article is not protecting porn actresses, it's isolating them. So it is not "porn culture". Don't mix things up. It's "patriarchy" the name of the problem. It sounds old, but what can I do?
"I hate porn". To begin with: there are different types of porn. There are types of porn that piss me off - the same type Emma Lindsay is talking about on the article, and some others - but there's also a whole world of interesting porn out there. We sure need to talk about ethics of the porn we're consuming, but that's different from stating that "porn culture" is making people bad at bed. To make it short, let's mention porn that consists on women having orgasms. There's a video called "how to eat pussy like a champ", please search for it, it's on Pornhub, and tell me that it's not doing a service for women. And it's very porn-y, it's not even close to Erika Lust. "Women are quiet when receiving pleasure" - oh, I'm not sure of that, honey. (Western) tantra therapists encourage women who have orgasm blocks to use voice when they are reaching it, and it works, and I'm talking from my own experience. You bring your whole body to it, you let it go. And also the practical side: you have to communicate during sex, because your partner is not getting better by guessing. Actually the need for communication is true for both sides, so instead of creating a weird assumption that what is "normal" for women is to be quiet while receiving pleasure, what about telling men they are allowed to moan, that moaning men are sexy too? "This is why I’ve grown weary of sex-positive feminism. Sex may be fun, and pleasure may be good for you, but in my experience, very few women are actually adventurous enough to go out in selfish pursuit of their own pleasure. Many women like to appear sexually forward because this is a way to attract men, but the best strategy for attracting men is to pretend everything that turns them on also turns you on. Sex positive feminism, while good in theory, often becomes another way to justify catering to male pleasure." - Oh no no no, this woman is so wrong. Sex-positive feminism gave me my first orgasm, and it does so for a lot of women. If someone doesn't know how to use a wonderful tool, it doesn't mean it becomes less wonderful, especially for those who need it. It's just misuse. Just like when people use feminist jargon to say bullshit. Sex-positive feminism is all about women seeking education for themselves. It's for lesbians too, you know. If we don't know how to make ourselves have orgasms, if we don't get in touch with our fantasies, we don't know how to give our partners the minimal orientation. We're just putting everything in men's hands once again. Because that's patriarchy: women repress everything and keep quiet and still with our delicate sexual desires. We keep expecting everything to come from men. Men are educated to suck at sex. Nothing is ever going to change. Men AND WOMEN need to look actively for sexual education, it's a lot of technique for both sides. And of course it doesn't mean only watching sex videos on the internet, but before writing an article like that we need to make extremely clear what we understand by "porn". Otherwise we're just avoiding difficult (and more urgent) discussions about how to protect these girls, how to make nice and sexy videos so people can turn themselves on and educate themselves without hurting anybody, and how to separate sex from sexism without making it all a moralistic mess. This article is not protecting porn actresses, it's isolating them. So it is not "porn culture". Don't mix things up. It's "patriarchy" the name of the problem. It sounds old, but what can I do?
Of course, there are a lot of genres of porn...I don't think she's arguing there's not? However, she is referencing the majority of porn on the internet, which is very generic and pretty consistently toxic in my own opinion. "Interesting porn" interesting is subjective - some people think women dying is interesting. Unfortunately, I don't think most American women or men are studying how to become tantric or to how to have better orgasms. Her statements are very broad, and not about niche communities. I agree with a lot of the things you've started maybe you should write a follow up to her article...
Of course, there are a lot of genres of porn...I don't think she's arguing there's not? However, she is referencing the majority of porn on the internet, which is very generic and pretty consistently toxic in my own opinion. "Interesting porn" interesting is subjective - some people think women dying is interesting. Unfortunately, I don't think most American women or men are studying how to become tantric or to how to have better orgasms. Her statements are very broad, and not about niche communities. I agree with a lot of the things you've started maybe you should write a follow up to her article...
Maybe. I just started writing and it got bigger than I expected.
Maybe. I just started writing and it got bigger than I expected.
In any case, it's an interesting subject that probably needs to be written about and researched a lot more.
In any case, it's an interesting subject that probably needs to be written about and researched a lot more.
I mean interesting from the point of view she's defending: feminist point of view, caring about women's health and protection from a toxic sexuality, etc. And she does mention niche communities when she suggests sex-positive feminism is actually a bunch of women pretending to be sexually liberated only to attract men.
I mean interesting from the point of view she's defending: feminist point of view, caring about women's health and protection from a toxic sexuality, etc. And she does mention niche communities when she suggests sex-positive feminism is actually a bunch of women pretending to be sexually liberated only to attract men.
Porn... the greatest miseducation and deep fake of our time. “Researchers found that women are often quietest when they are actually receiving pleasure, like during oral sex or foreplay. They make the most erotic noises when sex starts feeling uncomfortable or when they get bored. They also get noisy when they sense their partner is ready to climax — to boost their partner’s self esteem, many reported.”
Porn... the greatest miseducation and deep fake of our time. “Researchers found that women are often quietest when they are actually receiving pleasure, like during oral sex or foreplay. They make the most erotic noises when sex starts feeling uncomfortable or when they get bored. They also get noisy when they sense their partner is ready to climax — to boost their partner’s self esteem, many reported.”
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